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Serge
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Posted on Saturday, February 07, 2004 - 05:42 am:   

A couple of years ago I bought a SS Memovox from 1958. The watch had a World Time dial in bad conditions. I sent the watch to JLC in Switzerland for a redo and it came back serviced, renewed and authentified as from 1958. All this was perfect but the dial was changed for a new classic one.

Does anyone know where I could find an original World time dial in good conditions and what would be the price to expect?
Thank you for your help.
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Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2004 - 10:19 am:   

That's a bad thing they did. You have a world time dial and it came back as NOT a worldtime dial? I'd write them and complain and have them correct the matter.

If it is a proper worldtime you had, they devalued your watch and should correct the problem. What case reference was it?
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 01:59 pm:   

Case numer is 1139589 (last 2 numbers are not very clear), Concerning the correction I think this is now too late to complain, that's why I'm trying to find an alternative solution.
Why are you interested in the serial number?

Thank you anyway for your attention!
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 02:30 pm:   

Hi. That's the case serial number. Inside the case there should be a four digit case reference number either this format XXXX if it is a snap back or EXXX if it is a screw back.

I'm interested becuase it will indicte if the watch started off as a worldtime watch or if someone just put a disk on it. Most were not worldtimes to begin with.
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Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 03:38 pm:   

OK, I'll check the number but I need to find somebody to open the case. I'll come back with information later in the week.

However, do you know who could offer a dial and what would be the price for it?

Thank you, Serge
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Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 08:20 am:   

More than ten years ago, I had to repair my old JLC (1940). The dial was very oxidized and some gear was damaged. I asked to the italian importer: he told me I had to pay 200 $.
Well, I did'nt repair my watch. Four or five years ago, I repeated the same question to the importer; he send the watch to Swiss... they asked me 2000 $ !! I did'nt repair my watch.
Two month ago, I casually found a private repairing, not far from my home. I have finally repaired my watch paying 200$. The old original dial has been completely renewed the same as the original paint.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 06:16 am:   

Hello Zaf:
I'm new to the forum. I have been seeking a vintage memovox worldtime for quite some time. It would be very useful if you can share your knowledge on how we can indicate if the watch was worldtime original or someone just puts a disc on it.
Many thanks
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Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 09:02 am:   

On American Market "LeCoultre" watches, this will be pratically impossible to determine. The print on the disk should be perfect however, anything fuzzy or not lining up properly, walk away from it.

On European market watches, the Worldtime's had their own case reference number. The one that we know for sure is a worldtime is case reference 3160. Perhaps Ilja knows what thge reference for a screw back one is? The 3160 is a snap back.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 12:35 pm:   

Sorry, the snap back ref. 3160 is the only we were able to identify without any doubt.
Well, we have tracked about 25 different Memovox references, it is signifcant in their reference system that a few more must exsist, so let´s do a roll call:
Perhaps some of our guests own a worldtime or parking Memovox, if so, please post (or email) the reference number (found on the inner side of the case back). Snap back watches usually have a 4 or 5 digit number, screw backs start with the "E" followed by a 3 digit number.
Solid gold watches seldom have a reference number... So let´s focus on stainless steel watches.
We look forward to your entries folks!

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Posted on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 06:31 pm:   

Hi,

I have a LeCoultre Memovox manual watch with case #1274088. The LeCoultre engraving on the outer dial is almost gone and I wanted to get a new dial for it. Can anyone suggest where I can purchase the same.

Please send me and email and I'll email pictures of the watch.

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Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 01:05 am:   

Fred:

You will NOT be able to buy a dial, unless you send it in for factory service which often runs > $1000. You can have the dial on it repainted however, for $100 or so.

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Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 01:04 pm:   

hello,
i'm new in the formum and i hoped someone could help me with info on my JLC watch.
i send it to repair 6 month ago and paid a lot for it.
i wonder if the cost of repair was worth it.
they told me its a caliber 813 but i dont have any idea about its worth.
its a 50's automatic, pink gold with the # A 700833
could anyone help?
thank you
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Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 03:30 pm:   

Hello,
My Memovox with Worldtime dial,
case number 3026,and 706072,
movement number 1395287 kal 814.
Bottom has inscription Le Coultre.
The case is steel and the bezel is 10k gold plated
Is this an original Worldtime dial and what year is it manufactured? What could be the value? The condition is nearly perfect on the dial and the case.
Best regrds
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Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 05:50 pm:   

To be honest with the dial looks repainted to me. Definitely the outside has been repainted. The inner disk *may* be original, but I'd need to see it in person. A 10k gold filled case would belong to a North American market watch that is signed "LeCoultre" NOT "Jaeger-LeCoultre". So, in my opinion, there are some originality issue here.
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 01:56 am:   

Thank you Zaf for your reply.
Do you know what the production year is?
Best rgds Micke
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 02:08 am:   

Not unless you give me the movement serial number. I suspect you will find that the movement is signed "LeCoultre" for the American market.
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 11:26 am:   

The movement number is 1395287 kal 814 marked Le Coultre
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 12:25 pm:   

Thanks. In my opinion then, it is a normal American market "LeCoultre" alarm that has been dressed up to look like a Jaeger-LeCoultre World Time Alarm.
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 10:16 pm:   

Zaf,

You forgot to give him the approximate production date he requested. My records would show roughly 1962 for that movement serial.

I would agree with your assessment that the outer dial is definitely refinished and also not original to this U.S. market watch. The inner worldtime dial looks correct (not refinished) but probably was added to this watch by whoever refinished the outer dial.

Another note to clarify your last post (which may be misread). Worldtime dials weren't exclusive to swiss-market ("Jaeger-LeCoultre") Memovoxes and Wrist Alarms. They were also issued on U.S. Market ("LeCoultre") watches... just probably not this particular one.

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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 10:56 pm:   

I come up with 1962 as well. I didn't mean to imply that there are no American market World Timers if that is what I said read. In fact on the European market one, the "Memovox" pointer does not point to New York, but to Geneva (generally).

Now what is curious, is that so far, for the European market version, I have not been able to confirm that this watch ever existed as an automatic. So far I've only seen ads for it and factory records as a manual wind. Case reference E856 or 3160.
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Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 04:56 am:   

This watch is bought in USA 1995, and it´s manual winding. What is the value today?
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Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:31 pm:   

Hard to say really. It's an American Market LeCoultre that's been dressed up to look like a European market JLC Worldtime. As such, I'd value it no more that a regular LeCoultre Alarm, so probably in the $500-600 range. The world time disk, if it is original, is worth at least $100, so as a package, maybe the whole thing is worth $600-700.
This is just speculation on my behalf beause the watch, as it is, has originality issues. I'm sure if you stick it on eBay, you get more than what I am quoting you, but people that know what they are doing most likely would not pay more than $600.
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Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:20 am:   

Zaf is spot-on about the price estimate. A very similar non-original gold-filled manual wind worldtime sold on eBay for $787 in April of this year.

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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 05:19 am:   

I have a question: somedody is selling a jaeger le coultre memovox worldtime with caliber 825 automatic with indication of day ( 1 to 31). 1959-1968. It seems that I heard that there should not exist AUTOMATIK WORLDTIME.... I can show you pictures.
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 10:10 am:   

Automatic worldtimes do exist. I happen to own one.
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 04:42 pm:   

Although most of the Memovoxes I see being sold have made-up/non-original worldtime dials, there definitely were Worldtime Memovox Automatics using the cal 825 issued by the factory. I have owned several. Here are a few original Worldtime Automatics that show a couple of the dial styles that were issued:



This one is in the Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Museum. It is one of the watches that LBJ wore while in office. Note the factory presidential seal engraving on the back of the case:




Here's the sister watch to the watch above. It was also given to LBJ by the factory and has the same presidential seal on the back. The radial-style worldtime dial on this watch pre-dates the concentric style shown above. This watch is in my permanent collection:



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Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 01:53 pm:   

I am looking for a nice worltime memovox but i can not find any. I love this watch! Do you have other pictures of others worldtime? there are so many different..
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Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 01:54 pm:   

If anybody of you wnats to sell one, please tell me!
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Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 09:23 am:   

Hi! I have just received my worldtime memovox bought from a german shop. It looks great but i can not let the alarm work... when I pull the upbutton and set the alarmedate and push it again, nothing rings when the right time arrives. When I moove my arm with the button pulled, it makes a "toc" noise each time I moove my arm. If the button is pulled it does not make the "toc". Please help me!
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Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 11:31 am:   

I am sorry, it works! i will post you some beautiful picture of my automatic jeager le coultre worldtime!
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Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 03:46 am:   

En français: j'avais oublié d'armer l'alarme avant.
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 04:12 am:   

Here is my lovely watch. Does anybody know the year of fabrication?
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Posted on Thursday, December 28, 2006 - 05:52 pm:   

Are you sure the world time disk is not a re-print? Normally, not of the letters should touch the edge of the dial.
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Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 06:24 am:   

Do you see any difference with the dial of the gold with gold wrist posted before? Normally, when the worldtime dial is reprinted, it looks pretty bad printed, on my watch it is very well printed.
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Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 08:52 am:   

Well, there are very good reprints out there.
On this one, the luminous material on the triangle is a little strange and the letters
of the cities should never be covered by the outer disk like on "San Francis".
All this is hard to tell for sure without the watch in hand.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 06:43 am:   

In your opinion, how many seconds should the watch keep the right time within 24 hours? What spread should be acceptable? plus or minus how many seconds a day?
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Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 09:03 pm:   

Something under 30 secs per day is acceptable though they're generally capable of better.
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Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 05:03 am:   

what about thos one?
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Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 11:02 am:   

Looks freshly re-done to me, but it is hard to see for sure from the photos.
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Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 10:06 am:   

The seller says ORIGINAL and I trust him. BUT does it look like a REAL worldtime?
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Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 10:45 am:   

If WorldTime models have a greater perceived valuation, why wouldn't ethics-challenged "entrepreneurs" simply redial the center dial of standard JLC Memovoxes?
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Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 01:42 pm:   

Ask for a much larger closeup of the dial. Looking at the luminous material, it is unlikely that it is original.
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Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 03:46 pm:   

Keke, just a question. Why do these names of these cities printed on the dial mean so much to you? Why is a world time better than a memovox plain and simple?
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Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 03:40 am:   

IMHO a worldtime is no better than a non wordtime since the so called 'worldtime' function is useless (only a rotating disc not connected at all to a timing function, but directly liked to the alarm setting).

I think all the hype is a bit the same as in the case of the 'red' or 'double red' submariners: They have nothing special but since there are less of them, they become desirable.

But in the case of the memovox, you have no means to find out whether the watch was born with a worldtime dial or not, therefore faking them is too easy (well, providing you have good redialing skills which in itself is not that simple).

To me: unattractive, non-mechanical function + too many fakes --> unattractive watch to collect (or only if one can PROVE it is a worldtime)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 05:40 am:   

Ok Keke, let’s get it straight:
This is a running ebay auction.
The seller is offering a buy it now option for 3.750,- € on the watch!
The dial has black hour markers looking out below the bright white luminous mass!
The seller is currently offering another Memovox to have an original dial, though the dial is marked JLC
whilst the Cal. 825 is marked LeCoultre only (#320134220670)
and I have seen this more than once with this seller.
Why do you trust the seller?
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Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 03:37 am:   

Thank you Herrk for your post. In fact, I understand now that it is amlost impossible to find an original Worldtime. In that case, because I love the look of a worldtime so much,my goal is to buy the one I find beautiful and not too expensive.
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Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 06:21 am:   

Keke,

The "Worldtime" in post 22/24 is absolutely a refinish. It isn't even a very good one. As Zaf pointed out, the applied alarm pointer covers part of the city names. Such a dial would never leave the factory. In addition, the Bangkok city name is not spelled correctly. There are also other small problems throughout.

Your watch in post #25 is missing the Memovox logo on the center dial entirely. My experience has been that models with applied gold markers also usually had an applied gold alarm dial pointer instead of a painted one.

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Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 08:39 am:   

OK, so that 90% of worldtime are liitle or big customised. Nevetheless they are bautiful!
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Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 03:16 pm:   

just buy one and be happy
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Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 02:46 am:   

Exactly, but if I find a nice second one I will buy it too.